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A Russian fly-through might now be resisted, and even if not, can be used as a pretext for war.By bringing those states into NATO, the neocons have set up a two way road to war with Russia. Actual name of the State was Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenians, in that order by size of population and the king of the only entity who had one being a State ever. Actually all this somehow repeats a lot.Kosovo or Kosova…………well, plural or not, Russians were there, somehow lost the interest and left………….Russia arming Serbia?Now?What for?Dr. Aggravating a situation such as this will hurt everyone involved in the long run. Along their own “dissidents” Serb sympathizing travelers had particularly hard time.Second great bombing of Belgrade happened on April 6, 1941 by Luftwafe. Although historically insignificant to the rest of the world even more than Battle of Kosovo in 1389, it certainly puts some light on .term of above mentioned alliance. And Herr Wimmer’s letter is a revelation.on 04 Apr 2008 at 1:12 pm49james@51MRussia wont help Serbs remove foreign NGOs from its land it hasn’t done so in Russia were there more active so way do it in Serbia? And, we may not have to wait too long for that either. Article V of the NATO Charter clearly states that an attack on one is an attack on all, which translates into an automatic guarantee of aid to an ally in distress. As at previous occasions in WW2 or WW1 they just took a smart path to avoid greater confrontations and take a piece of land from their neighbours, if possible, and if not, it’s also OK, they’ll wait for some next chance. As far as Kosovo is concerned, Serbs must defend their minority there and wait for the better times. As is true with other powers, Russia has had its limits as a power. As planed I will add.Well, Serbs were not ready to vanish from face of the Earth yet, planned or not, bombed even by Italians on the way, they retrieved through freshly recognized, Austria sponsored, Albania to Greece. At a joint briefing following Merkel’s recent visit to Moscow, Putin made clear that he and the chancellor shared a common position on NATO enlargement.Merkel knows that the latter-day, U.S.-led Drang nach Osten is a poisoned chalice. Austria appeared passive to these activities.Russia had other headaches then with other alliances stretching from Britain through France to Turkey and good-God-knows who else. Black Sea expansion has created unnecessary tension between the West and Russia. Blocking those MAPs is now Berlin’s bipartisan policy, a reflection of Germany’s awareness that an energy-dependent Europe cannot afford to be a hostage to the visceral Russophobia of the decision-making establishment in Washington. Boldly going where no man had gone before. Bush can be forgiven only if he does not know what he is doing.” - (above)It doesn’t matter. Bush can be forgiven only if he does not know what he is doing.”I agree with Mr. Bush can be forgiven only if he does not know what he is doing.Share ThisSrdja Trifkovic :: Mar.31.2008 :: News & Views :: 56 Comments »-->56 Responses to “NATO’s Black Sea Expansion: An Unworthy Risk” on 31 Mar 2008 at 3:13 pm1James Beck“Mr. Bush will try again when he meets President Putin at the Black Sea
resort of Sochi later this week…”If I am correct Mr. Bush will try again when he meets President Putin at the Black Sea
resort of Sochi later this week. But Dr Trifkovic is.He is also very competent on subjects like:How communists found home in Serbia or Montenegro to begin with,Macedonia, Bosnia, Kosovo, Slovenia, Croatia, bastions of European heritageMany answers are right there. But Serbia had better allies, political, ideological and trade partners: Britain, France, United Stated of America………Serbia was not supposed to fend the well prepared, timely onslaught in 1914. But the Poles have more in common with Russia, which is also Christian, than, say, with the Christian U.S. But we became friends for-ever-and-ever. But, all the previous bombardiers were present so we can all be proud of unity. By extending her protectorate deep inside Eastern Europe, America will be diminishing, rather than enhancing, her security. Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany is following the policy of Alleingang (a go-it-alone rapprochement) with Moscow, openly opposing Georgian and Ukrainian Membership Action Plans (MAPs) that can lead to full membership after a few years. Churchill’s son Randolf knew him pretty well. Concessions on natural resources, all sorts of technology………nirvana. Couple this with a Russia-Serbia situation similar to the America-Britain relationship, which brought America into two of Britain’s major wars, and the situation is ominous.That war with Russia will happen seems inevitable. Didn’t hear from them much since……. During Uprising, Russia had deployed various envoys,
skilled, persuasive diplomats who advised or
guided Karadjordje in matters of organization of State which had been non-existent for half-a-millennium. European nations should take this Duma resolution seriously. Europeans will have learn then the consequence of absurdity of installing a hostile U.S. Even Russian patriots think of Serbia as a deposit they can use to get the best possible deal for their mother Russia with the West. Final deliberation of Serbia was a stolen show by Britain and France similar to deliberation of Greece at the end of WWII. First bombing of Belgrade, those were the days……..But it did. First, we have a ridiculous Poland-in-1939 guarantee to Romania and Bulgaria, coupled with a necessity for Russia to do a Germany-invades-belgium-in-1914 move. For that ,it is imperative to convince them that Russians are, at least indifferent to their predicament, if not their enemies, and here enters our ‘evrop
ski’ Tomislav with his history of Serbo-Russian relations competing for a Soros
price. For that matter, RTTV doesn’t refer to the repackaged KLA in Pristina as extreme nationalist. French President Sarkozy is known to be lukewarm at best. From a neoconservative point of view, however, there is no better way to ensure U.S. From a standpoint of a single nation, that is Poland, confronted by two powerful contries, namely Germany and Russia, the best thing will be to gather all technological expertise within the nation to produce best equipment for its army, while steadily enlarging its population. Gangbang.During this period, Russia had deployed various envoys………..but I said that earlier. Georgia is on the coast of the BLACK SEA, a few thousand miles from the NORTH ATLANTIC ocean, across an entire continent. He has a BA (Hon) in international relations from the University of Sussex (UK), a BA in political science from the University of Zagreb (Croatia), and a PhD in history from the University of Southampton (UK). He was the man who ordered more bombings of Belgrade by the end of war, this time American and British. He will continue to run Russia after that date, too, thank God…on 31 Mar 2008 at 5:36 pm6AlexYes, Srdja, you are correct my bad. His first stop will be in Ukraine, which the President will like to see included in NATO, along with another former Soviet republic on the Black Sea shore, Georgia. How can OBL run a mass terror network, right underneath the US’s nose in Bosnia and Kosovo, and with the aid of CIA-linked Pakistan, without them knowing? I believe they will stop this insanity.on 31 Mar 2008 at 5:03 pm3EagleDr. I forgot about the transition period after the election.Btw. I further believe that there are very few Presidents, if any indeed, with that power anywhere.Regardless how or why, Yugoslavia did very well during that “conflict” in many ways. I learned a lot from what you said, what i did not know before.on 31 Mar 2008 at 8:50 pm7Allen WilsonWhen the Spetsnaz flew into Kosovo to relieve Serbia at the end of the U.S. I purposely omitted to mention that Montenegro lost it’s National Identity along with Statehood on January 16. I will just add that they also armed Egypt Syria, Iraq and good-god-knows who else.Serbia should wait.on 02 Apr 2008 at 12:02 am37ChrisChristianity was mentioned here a lot today. I will just like to compliment you on a great job you did with a film i just watched ‘Islam: What the West Needs to Know’It is very interesting and informative. I’ve seen RTTV segments where known critics of the Russian government are treated with kid gloves. If he’s drunk with power and kills us or our kids - stop ‘wondering’ and realize you have got to go to WAR here to stop this. If Nato is expanded to Georgia, there is going to be war with NATO. If Russia did so or set up military bases the Western alliance will use that as a provocation to attack Russia. If the radicals win Russia will almost absolutely help Serbia remove all foreign NGO’s from its soil, and isolate remove all fifth columnists from crucial government positions, this will be the precondition for Russia to arm Serbia. If the radicals win Russia will almost absolutely help Serbia remove all foreign NGO’s from its soil, and isolate remove all fifth columnists from crucial government positions, this will be the precondition for Russia to arm Serbia. If they ever start feeling that America is going down the drain, you can expect them joining the other side as soon as the next morning. If you read the NATO charter, its common defense obligations are as vague as they can get. In addition note, how that Russian government funded venue (RTTV) has done things like label the “Serb Radical Party” as “extreme nationalist”, when there’s evidence to the contrary. In Russia, there’re a number of not so Russia friendly non-Russians (as in going against the views of most Russians) who find their way at some outlets.The title “Bush supports Ukraine’s NATO dream” suggests a popular Ukrainian will to join NATO. In the next Serbian election it will be a telling story of what we shell see in the years to come. Is Serge Trifkovic related to Srdja Trifkovic or is it just coincidence that they have the same last name and talk about related issues.on 02 Apr 2008 at 3:41 am39R. It is presently in Russia’s interest to help Serbia and in Serbia’s interest to use that help. It is reminiscent of an unpleasant and invariably fatal West European malaise that was manifest in the catastrophes of 1812, 1914 and 1941. It merely needs to supply the Serbian military with modern air defence systems and a few hundred surface to surface rockets. It seems that the neocons are willing to risk a thermonuclear war with Russia in order to further their own political goals. It should be the All Nations in the World Against Russia Treaty Organization.on 31 Mar 2008 at 10:36 pm11robert m. It surely helps, hehehon 01 Apr 2008 at 12:44 am13DJGB PopadichPlease, no comment today.The day of birth of the great one. It was on those grounds, rather than in response to any supposed threat, that the Clinton administration pushed for the admission of Poland, the Czech Republic, and Hungary in 1996, and President Bush brought in the Baltic republics, Bulgaria, and Rumania in 2004. It was quite instrumental in securing Bulgaria’s independence. It will not work: Putin knows a Russophobic plot when he sees one, and he will not allow a cordon sanitaire to expand into his southern underbelly.It is noteworthy that opposition to such plans now comes not only from Moscow but from within the alliance. It will do even better if mentioned allies sent ammunition of proper caliber for arms they sold to Serbia prewar, or stopped blackmailing Serbia into concessions to yesterday’s enemies of Alliance, resulting in prolonged war and near annihilation of Serbia. It’s counterproductive to any peace initiatives that have been achieved since the Cold War. It’s nevertheless wrong to write Russia off altogether. It’s deja-vu all over again: Moscow insists it opposes NATO expansion in its back yard, but Washington nevertheless goes ahead while whispering soothing reassurances to the Russians. Let’s call it what it truly is: The Terrorist State of America. M.Serbia and Serbs were and are dispensable to Russia, Russia has demonstrated this many times over the last few centuries and especially over the last few decades. M.The Russians did give the Serbs arms in 1999, such as the Tunguska for shooting down low flying aricraft and several S300 batteries, maybe as many as 10. Many of them had been buried in Serbia, rest of them eventually had been recalled. Milosevic but we can study their faces after emerging in front of the Press. Milosevic can have swept Serbia’s
skies of all NATO aircraft by using his SA-2, SA-5 and S300 systems. Moscow, by agreeing to the transit of food and non-military cargo and “some types of non-lethal military equipment” across Russia to Afghanistan, now has a role in NATO’s operations in Afghanistan. My comment: it’s a purely technical agreement, and politically there’s less than meets the eye. My special salute to AAA Captain of Hungarian origin who made particular point on that occasion and later, to this day.We all had a chance to witness the final chapter of that adventure. NATO membership may even embolden some to defrost conflicts—notably, in Abkhazia and Southern Ossetia—that will have otherwise remained dormant.The reason NATO expansion is bad in principle is found in the security guarantee itself. NATO stands for NORTH ATLANTIC Treaty Organization. Needless to say, a thermonuclear war with Russia is not in the interests of the people of the United States (but neither was the first world war, the second world war, the Korean war, the Vietnam war, the Iraq war, a war with Iran etc. Nobody is too poor to pay attention.on 02 Apr 2008 at 2:10 pm44Serbia as a nationif Serbia wants to exist as a nation in the coming millenium, the only hope is to proclaim itself a new republic of the Russian Federation.on 02 Apr 2008 at 3:09 pm45simoTo R.V. Of course, Serbia must take advantage of that help wisely.on 05 Apr 2008 at 7:11 pm52MicheleThe article addresses issues I happen to understand and agree with. On that point, the Ukrainian population isn’t considered “misinformed”. On the other hand, these very same spinsters uncritically approve of Ukrainian polls favoring EU membership. On this issue the old Franco-German E.U. Once included, those faraway lands of which we know little will become a permanent fixture of our foreign-policy establishment’s mind-set. Organized by prominent, wealthy Serbs from Croatia, Bosnia, Hercegovina, Italy and other places which since then became Serbfrei. Osama recruited the hijackers from his camps in Afghanistan. Powers, the Berlin Wall, the Bay of Pigs, the Cuban Missile Crises, the Vietnam War, the SS-20’s, etc. President Wilson “created Yugoslavia” with Serb king. Putin is no longer the president of Russia.on 31 Mar 2008 at 5:09 pm5Srdja TrifkovicPutin is the president. Read my name and be assured that I know that answer all too well regardless what Mr.Tito left us. Recently the Russian Duma passed a resolution stating that if Georgia is admitted into NATO, Russia will recognize South Ossetia and Abkhazia as independent states. Regarding that point, keep in mind that Ukrainian polls aren’t so unfriendly towards Ukraine having a closer economic relationship with Russia.on 01 Apr 2008 at 10:40 am23James BeckGood point, Daniel. Regardless of the arms embargo, it is hard to believe that the Serbs can not have convinced the Russians to send their more advanced systems to shoot down NATO aircraft. Remains to find out what exactly Marti Ahtisaari conveyed to Mr. Royal Family, government and those who can afford it ended in Britain. Russia can also support radical Islamist that are fighting against U.S. Russia had troops promised to Serbia stationed and headquartered in Romania for a long time. Russia needs serious Serbian leadership if they decide to arm Serbia with nuclear weapons. Russia never took massive participation in these events although it appeared as it will at any moment. Russia was busy establishing “system”. Russia was busy preparing for the same war which turned up to be welcoming committee for one Mr. Russia’s rapidly becoming an energetic superpower and Serbs can’t but proffit from it . Russians are smarter than that and wont to avoid an all out confrontation at all cost. Serbia can wait………………for Austrian military exercises on it’s border with Bosnia commanded by one Franz Ferdinand and consequent war. Serbia is a win-win situation as well since Serbia imports more then it exports to EU, so if those ties are broken, Serbia can and will establish trade with other countries outside of Europe. Serbia needs to learn from its past that its neighbors are not much of neighbors; they switch sides, and have switched sides in world wide conflict like WWI, WWII, so why will Serbia want to be member of EU or with countries like its immediate neighbors? Serbs are allways too passionate, no matter what side they take, and they usually take more than one side and start harming each other, not their neighbors. Serbs refer to this period as The First Serbian Uprising. Serbs were lucky.Russia had nothing to do with that.A hundred years ago, Serbia had other leader and other ally. Serbs were tremendously successful in their operations with arms and ammunition supplied from Austria, not Russia. So Milosevic himself bears a major responsibility for the deaths of many Serb civilians for his failure to use these weapon systems. Some of them, led by brave officers fought along with Serbs on voluntary bases. Some people may wish to relive past grudges and pograms over and over again, others wish to focus on the future.When Ukraine explodes into internal war and tears itself apart East vs. Soros and alike as much I am a Communist, Fascist, Nationalist or anything else subhuman. Sorry.In 1999, Belgrade bombing coalition was much larger, bombs and carriers much more sophisticated. Such an outcome will be pleasing only to jihadists and “creative destructors” of all color and hue.Mr. That America is not only in the wrong, but is manifestly evil, is apparent. That group has been the comparatively more extreme nationalist. That it is America’s fault is obvious. The Arabs and Soviets had greater issues with each other than the Russians and Serbs. The current situation of Serbs in Kosovo will be much different today. The EU, just like the Austro-Hungarian Empire is of a fragile artificial structure ,the cracks in it are bound to appear and the rot to set in. The lesson of Locarno for the Bush administration is clear: Security guarantees that are not based on the provider’s complete resolve to fight a full-blown war to fulfill them are worse than no guarantees at all. The man who was in charge of arms exports at the time was General Leonid Ivashov, who was as pro-Serb as any Serb nationalist. The most outspoken countries against Serbian membership into EU are former Nazi collaborating countries; no love loss there, Serbia needs to move on. The neocons hate Russia as such, not her “lack of democracy” or “brutality in Chechnya,” but for reasons ideological and emotional that we have tackled elsewhere. The oligarchs who stole Russias wealth are almost entirly Jewish and the one who run and finance pro chechen lobbies and websites are mostly Jewish as well.on 01 Apr 2008 at 11:09 am25james@24James BeckPoles have nothing in common with Russia. The one who laughs from his grave: no comment today.on 01 Apr 2008 at 12:49 am14Srdja TrifkovicBut the one who has every reason to laugh from the Great Beyond was born on April 20 in Braunau am Inn. The only reasonable solution is for Russia to do everything in its power to destroy NATO and EU indirectly, what ever that takes, destroy the unity; I do not think that Europeans (especially Germany) want to fight another war with Russia. The people who organised and ran the bolshevik revolution where mostly Jewish and financed by Jewish bankers. The problem is, as it allways have been, Serbia. The processes of desintegration of empires are develloping much faster in our times than in the past. The Soviet role in the Middle East was a bit of a different bird. The truth is that OBL’s brother Abdullah is the major financier of Islamic mercenery units through his organisations and NGOs like WAMY and the Benevolence Fund. The United States should understand why the elites in some former Soviet republics have a vested geopolitical interest, and an even more acute psychological need, to treat Russia as the enemy, but she should never allow herself to be seduced by their obsessions. The United States will assume the nominal responsibility for open-ended claims by, say, Tbilisi, over a host of disputed frontiers that were drawn arbitrarily by communists and bear little relation to ethni
city or history. The United States will supposedly provide her protective cover to new clients right in Russia’s geopolitical backyard, in an area whose fortunes are not vital to this country’s interests. The very statement I used to begin my comment comes from that kitchen, I fear. Their leader$ sometimes forget that, and it’s sad when they do so at the expense of the Polish people primarily. Their obsessions result in policies that resonate with Russia’s former clients and satellites in Tallin or Tbilisi, but that are detrimental to the security of the United States.Further NATO enlargement means that Russian missiles will remain targeted on American
cities. There were other miltary men just as sympathetic to the Serbs as Ivashov. There will be ocasion to get Kosovo back being firm and patient. These advisers eventually led BlackGeorge to personal catastrophe, loss of leadership and consequent Uprising failure. They “also” worked on their agenda of Russia’s approach to Adriatic. They actually already have that feeling, that’s why you can’t hear much about these countries’ agendas. They don’t know any better (repeatedly)?on 01 Apr 2008 at 11:05 am24jamesWhy dont we just say Neocons hate Russia because they are Jewish? They know if they diversify there capital and seek joint investment in other countries than it will be harder for a foreign backed bolshevik style tackover to sieze and control Russia something the Czar failed to do. They were all shooting each other in the past but they were also shooting at Serbs solo and all together. They’re telling you they don’t and it’s in your face.on 31 Mar 2008 at 3:40 pm2NikolaiMr. This calls to mind previous Western experiments with security guarantees in the region—the carve-up of Czechoslovakia in October 1938, or Poland’s destruction in September 1939. This desire for a new Cold War by the neoconservatives and uber-nationalists in the Administration against a Christian people is truly sickening. This is a EU bluff forced upon EU by the U.S., and its almost identical propaganda and language used by Nazi’s just before Nazi Germany attacked Yugoslavia in 1941, the propaganda pamphlets and the message being sent by EU today are almost identical. This is the reason Russia has not armed Serbia in the past. This is the reason Russia has not armed Serbia in the past. This isn’t true, as the majority of Ukraine’s population oppose such a move.On a related note, this morning’s BBC (aired in America), downplayed this reality. This madness must be stopped in its current, American-led reincarnation because it is contrary to the interests of the American people and has the potential to destroy the remnant of the common European civilization on both shores of the Atlantic. This may take up to five years to accomplish, but the financial situation of U.S. This omition was due to opening even more tragic can of worms and lengthy writings I am not qualified for. This will be Russia’s last chance to stop U.S. Time will prove that this is destructive for peace, and it will only increase the threat of Iran, Islamic terror, etc., as we will lose any alliances we’ve developed in Christian Eastern Europe and Russia. Tito or whoever he really was, a Comunist leader, former Austian soldier from WWI, Kominterna graduate and participant of Spanish Civil War. To be sure, Serbia was under an arms embargo at the time. To that day, Serbia was the last place in Europe with a “light on”. Trifkovic is Foreign Affairs Editor of Chronicles: A Magazine of American Culture, published by The Rockford Institute, and Director of the Institute’s Center for International Affairs. Trifkovic wrote this article pointing Russia’s present headaches. Trifkovic,Your article is very interesting, informed, and well written. Unfortunately, Polish socialists put their trust in NATO, European Community, high taxation and unaffordable housing, resulting in net emigration of its 2 million young people to the UK, Ireland and Germany in search of better living.So yeah, more NATO-EC inlation please. Unless this happens, this country is doomed (and perhaps an awful lot of the rest of the world).on 01 Apr 2008 at 7:30 am20Sean ScallonSad isn’t it that in the face of the supposed Islamic terror threat the U.S. Watch Paul Washer preach what REAL Christianity is and tell 5,000 Southern Baptists that most of them are going to be in Hell in 100 years.This guy doesn’t get invited back. We can only speculate as to why he did not use them. We’re getting so far away from the North Atlantic, there’s no longer any geographical reason to call it NATO. We’ve seen it in 1996, when Bill Clinton violated clear commitment against expansion made by his predecessor, and again in 2004. Well, Russia had major headache with Japan, bolshevicks at Vladivostok, land ownership and good-God-knows what else. What is taken away by the sword can be regain by the sword ( if necessary), when the moment arrives. What the Russian Government has basically done here is lay a trip wire. When Russian influence appeared to be getting the upper hand in the Balkans, a number of powers united in trying to offset that scenario. While this may be of no consequence to the denizens of Lvov or Gori, it should focus minds in New York, Seattle, and Omaha. With Russian blessing, Austria becomes active by annexing Bosnia.
